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John Seddon on Radio 4’s Moral Maze

Listen to John Seddon questioned by a panel about his views on targets for BBC Radio 4’s Moral Maze. The topic under discussion is whether an intelligent person would be moral if they were not compelled to be so.

First broadcast in 2013, the programme is just as relevant today, as targets remain a feature of organisational life across the service industry, notably in finance, the NHS and call centres.

Forget your people – real leaders act on the system

From the Vanguard archive, 18 June 2010:

Writing in the Management Information eXchange, John Seddon tells the story of a curious public sector leader, a pugilist and a contrarian, who chose to do the right thing and design his system entirely around the needs of the customer – against the advice of  Government inspectors.

What happened? Costs fell, morale soared and best practice got better…

What’s different about the Vanguard Method?

In this podcast, from May 2020, John Seddon outlines what’s different about the Vanguard Method.

the benefits of the Vanguard Method: the quality of the results it achieves, and
the features of the Vanguard method: the Vanguard Method doesn’t have any features of normal transformation programmes. Instead, it starts with Study. When leaders get knowledge, this enables them to experience the counter intuitive truths in their systems for themselves.